Chapt.4 Summary
He came to the palace of the Menelaus. They were celebrating wedding and banqueting, and they talked about Odysseus and Telemachus asked them about his father Odysseus. Helen and Menelaus tell Telemachus about Odysseus stories which they know but they still didn’t know he’s alive or not. And Menelaus suggests him to ask Old Man of the Sea who knows the depth of all the seas. And he asked him about who reached home safely from the war Troy and he said Telemachus’ brother Agamemnon got home, but Odysseus was impossible for him reach the sea. And he also was not sure about he is alive or not. And Telemachus left the palace with sadness and got mixing-bowl from Menelaus. After he left, some suitors came and talked about Telemachus and they were made about he took his ship. So they went out to the sea to kill him and Penelope knew about his and she prays for him to be safe. Athene sends her sister called Iphthime and let Penelope calm down, but still the suitors are chasing Telemachus.
Major Themes: (Grace)
(Pg. 47) Disguise. When Helen tells the story of how Odysseus disguises himself as a Trojan horse to infiltrate the city walls.
(Pg. 55) Hospitality. Telemachus thinks that all this stuff that Menelaus
is giving him, is not going to get him home any time soon. i.e, There won't be any room for the horses.
Locations Traveled: (Caroline)
Telemachus and Peisistratus (Nestor's son) Go to Lacedaemon to see Menelaus
(pg50) Past- Menelaus was trapped on an island near Egypt (Pharos) he then sailed the Nile, made offerings to the gods, and finally sailed home
(pg56) Present- Ithaca, Odysseus's palace
(pg62) The suitors sailed to the island of Asteris, between Ithaca and Samos, where they wait to ambush Telemachus
Study Guide Questions:
What preparations are going on when Telemachus goes to see Menelaus?(Sarah S)
preperations for Menalau's son and daughter to be married off
What does Telemachus do when Menelaus starts talking about Odysseus?(Sarah S)
Telemachus starts to cry because he was overcome by emotion hen a close friends of his father's was speaking highly of him
What does Helen do before everyone retires for the evening?(Sarah S)
Helen slips a drug into the wine then men were drinking, it made them unable to be sad for the rest of the night, then she gave a speech about Odysseus.
What story does Helen tell about Odysseus?(Sarah S)
She tells the story of how Odyssues sneaks into troy underconver as a begar and finds her and asks of Troy's plans for the war then sneaks out again and is ready to take the soldiers when they planned to attack
What story does Menelaus tell about Odysseus?(Alex)
He told the story about when they were in the wooden horse at the battle of troy and Helen had come and called all of the Argive Captains names and how they all wanted to answer her back but Odysseus was able to cup his hand around the man's mouth to keep him from blowing their cover.
Who must Menelaus speak to to find out why he has been stranded on the island for 20 days?(Alex)
He must speak to the old man of the sea
What did he have to do to trap the Old Man of the Sea?(Alex)
What he had to do was to wait till mid day until the Old man of the sea come on lad to rest with the seals and sea- nymphs when he does this Menelaus has to gather a few of his best men and pin The old man of the sea down. When he has him he has to ask the Old man of the sea (in his human form) the questions he wants answered then he has to let him go and then ask him which god is making difficulties for him and how to reach his home.
What does Menelaus have to do in order to get home?(Alex)
He has to sail down the Nile and make the correct ceremonial offerings to the gods.
What does Menelaus ask the Old Man before he lets him go?(Eliza) He asks Menelaus if his men died on their journey home or i they survived.
Why does Telemachus refuse Menelaus’s gift?(Eliza)
He does not have any time and the horses will not be happy with him because there is no farmland for them to live on.
What does Menelaus give him instead?(Eliza)
He gives him a mixing bowl made out of silver with a gold rim made by Hephaestus.
Why is Noemon confused about Mentor?(Eliza)
He saw two different mentors in a one day interval, one was getting on a ship and the other was walking around on a street.
Why is Antinous upset and what does he plan for Telemachus?(Simone)
He's uspet because Telemachus left to go find Odysseus. Antinous plans on hiding out and waiting for Telemachus because he wants to kill him.
Who does Penelope pray to?(Simone)
Penelope prays to Athene.
What does Athene do to calm Penelope?(Simone)
Athene sounds like Penelopes sister and comes to her as a phantom or a vision. She wanted to comfort her.
What does Penelope ask the vision?(Simone) She asks why her sister is there and if Odysseus is alive.
Chapter 4 - Menelaus and Helen
Summary: (Da Som)
Chapt.4 SummaryHe came to the palace of the Menelaus. They were celebrating wedding and banqueting, and they talked about Odysseus and Telemachus asked them about his father Odysseus. Helen and Menelaus tell Telemachus about Odysseus stories which they know but they still didn’t know he’s alive or not. And Menelaus suggests him to ask Old Man of the Sea who knows the depth of all the seas. And he asked him about who reached home safely from the war Troy and he said Telemachus’ brother Agamemnon got home, but Odysseus was impossible for him reach the sea. And he also was not sure about he is alive or not. And Telemachus left the palace with sadness and got mixing-bowl from Menelaus. After he left, some suitors came and talked about Telemachus and they were made about he took his ship. So they went out to the sea to kill him and Penelope knew about his and she prays for him to be safe. Athene sends her sister called Iphthime and let Penelope calm down, but still the suitors are chasing Telemachus.
Major Themes: (Grace)
(Pg. 47) Disguise. When Helen tells the story of how Odysseus disguises himself as a Trojan horse to infiltrate the city walls.(Pg. 55) Hospitality. Telemachus thinks that all this stuff that Menelaus
is giving him, is not going to get him home any time soon. i.e, There won't be any room for the horses.
Locations Traveled: (Caroline)
Telemachus and Peisistratus (Nestor's son) Go to Lacedaemon to see Menelaus(pg50) Past- Menelaus was trapped on an island near Egypt (Pharos) he then sailed the Nile, made offerings to the gods, and finally sailed home
(pg56) Present- Ithaca, Odysseus's palace
(pg62) The suitors sailed to the island of Asteris, between Ithaca and Samos, where they wait to ambush Telemachus
Study Guide Questions:
What preparations are going on when Telemachus goes to see Menelaus? (Sarah S)
preperations for Menalau's son and daughter to be married off
What does Telemachus do when Menelaus starts talking about Odysseus? (Sarah S)
Telemachus starts to cry because he was overcome by emotion hen a close friends of his father's was speaking highly of him
What does Helen do before everyone retires for the evening? (Sarah S)
Helen slips a drug into the wine then men were drinking, it made them unable to be sad for the rest of the night, then she gave a speech about Odysseus.
What story does Helen tell about Odysseus? (Sarah S)
She tells the story of how Odyssues sneaks into troy underconver as a begar and finds her and asks of Troy's plans for the war then sneaks out again and is ready to take the soldiers when they planned to attack
What story does Menelaus tell about Odysseus? (Alex)
He told the story about when they were in the wooden horse at the battle of troy and Helen had come and called all of the Argive Captains names and how they all wanted to answer her back but Odysseus was able to cup his hand around the man's mouth to keep him from blowing their cover.
Who must Menelaus speak to to find out why he has been stranded on the island for 20 days? (Alex)
He must speak to the old man of the sea
What did he have to do to trap the Old Man of the Sea? (Alex)
What he had to do was to wait till mid day until the Old man of the sea come on lad to rest with the seals and sea- nymphs when he does this Menelaus has to gather a few of his best men and pin The old man of the sea down. When he has him he has to ask the Old man of the sea (in his human form) the questions he wants answered then he has to let him go and then ask him which god is making difficulties for him and how to reach his home.
What does Menelaus have to do in order to get home? (Alex)
He has to sail down the Nile and make the correct ceremonial offerings to the gods.
What does Menelaus ask the Old Man before he lets him go? (Eliza)
He asks Menelaus if his men died on their journey home or i they survived.
Why does Telemachus refuse Menelaus’s gift? (Eliza)
He does not have any time and the horses will not be happy with him because there is no farmland for them to live on.
What does Menelaus give him instead? (Eliza)
He gives him a mixing bowl made out of silver with a gold rim made by Hephaestus.
Why is Noemon confused about Mentor? (Eliza)
He saw two different mentors in a one day interval, one was getting on a ship and the other was walking around on a street.
Why is Antinous upset and what does he plan for Telemachus? (Simone)
He's uspet because Telemachus left to go find Odysseus. Antinous plans on hiding out and waiting for Telemachus because he wants to kill him.
Who does Penelope pray to? (Simone)
Penelope prays to Athene.
What does Athene do to calm Penelope? (Simone)
Athene sounds like Penelopes sister and comes to her as a phantom or a vision. She wanted to comfort her.
What does Penelope ask the vision? (Simone)
She asks why her sister is there and if Odysseus is alive.